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Re: Free electricity generator
by freddyboy » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:13 pm
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"You absolutely can use gravity to augment a system and add power during its downward descent. Unfortunately you have to put energy into that system to lift the object in the first placed."
Yes I would lift the weight once myself.Drop it once and the system will auto engage and disengage.Gravity will do the work for the rest of the time. Im not trying to prove Im right. I need help and it seems plausible is all.
"You absolutely can use gravity to augment a system and add power during its downward descent."
So as long as the unit can auto engage and disengage we can augment the power conserved through gravity alone to rectify any loss through friction (pully system, Gears and clock spring metal fatigue --- a few ex) ?
My gear system wich has one gear that is like a drill bit moving the shaft back and forth and fully spinable due to bearing installed on shaft were gear connects.
Rough sketch of gears :
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq24 ... rgy4-1.jpg
Yes I would lift the weight once myself.Drop it once and the system will auto engage and disengage.Gravity will do the work for the rest of the time. Im not trying to prove Im right. I need help and it seems plausible is all.
"You absolutely can use gravity to augment a system and add power during its downward descent."
So as long as the unit can auto engage and disengage we can augment the power conserved through gravity alone to rectify any loss through friction (pully system, Gears and clock spring metal fatigue --- a few ex) ?
My gear system wich has one gear that is like a drill bit moving the shaft back and forth and fully spinable due to bearing installed on shaft were gear connects.
Rough sketch of gears :
http://i452.photobucket.com/albums/qq24 ... rgy4-1.jpg
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Re: Free electricity generator
by freddyboy » Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:17 pm
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Basicly once I drop the weight once it should move prepetualy. As long as I multiply the energy taken in to the clock spring on the way down via variable speed transmission. This would enable the weight to rise back up the pipe with left over energy in the spring. Use of a overcrankable clock sping is needed to deal with eventual overload.
This all seems perfectly plausible to me. One thing I have noticed is that most inventions to try and create prepetual motion or an overunity device is circular motion. This invention uses the energy of gravity multiplied on the way donw, conserved and reused on the way up = prepetual motion. The free static electricity is generated in a electricly conductive pipe due to the constant friction in the pipe. This invention does not stray away from friction it Gathers its energy. Most other atempts are in a circular patern to turn a generator with as little friction as possible with top of the line components. This can be built quite easily.
Pardon my english I am french
Please discuss this with me more.
Thanks again for all the help
This all seems perfectly plausible to me. One thing I have noticed is that most inventions to try and create prepetual motion or an overunity device is circular motion. This invention uses the energy of gravity multiplied on the way donw, conserved and reused on the way up = prepetual motion. The free static electricity is generated in a electricly conductive pipe due to the constant friction in the pipe. This invention does not stray away from friction it Gathers its energy. Most other atempts are in a circular patern to turn a generator with as little friction as possible with top of the line components. This can be built quite easily.
Pardon my english I am french
Please discuss this with me more.
Thanks again for all the help
Re: Free electricity generator
by freddyboy » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:14 pm
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Can we do the approximate math on this device?
Ill start off with a 4 pound weight.
Distance travel : 1 foot
How much is the max torque or energy conserved in the spring that I can generate using the energy of gravity alone?
If you can use gravity to augment a system and add power during its downward descent then mathematically this should work. As long as the machine can auto engage and disengage after dropping the weight once from the top of the pipe
The energy generated from static electricity can be built up to be stronger than lightning but also is easily convertible to usable electricity.
Ill start off with a 4 pound weight.
Distance travel : 1 foot
How much is the max torque or energy conserved in the spring that I can generate using the energy of gravity alone?
If you can use gravity to augment a system and add power during its downward descent then mathematically this should work. As long as the machine can auto engage and disengage after dropping the weight once from the top of the pipe
The energy generated from static electricity can be built up to be stronger than lightning but also is easily convertible to usable electricity.
Re: Free electricity generator
by freddyboy » Sat Aug 07, 2010 10:26 pm
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I would like to try and build this but have no gear machining tool and not much money to build. Am I waisting my time or is this mathimaticly plausible.
You guys know lots about this stuff I want your advice
You guys know lots about this stuff I want your advice
Re: Free electricity generator
by JoeWaisman » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:18 pm
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It will not work. Sorry.
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Re: Free electricity generator
by freddyboy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:41 am
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Perfect.Thanks for all the help.
I guess it was just an idea to help the world energy crysis.
No harm done
Just one last thing about what you said
"You absolutely can use gravity to augment a system and add power during its downward descent."
Were you referring to the variable transmission doing the augmentation of power?
If this is possible Then I see no reason why you couldnt build an easy auto engaging and disengaging machine to move prepetualy due to the constant overstored power held and then released in the overcrankable clock spring
So why is it that this wont work exactly?
I guess it was just an idea to help the world energy crysis.
No harm done
Just one last thing about what you said
"You absolutely can use gravity to augment a system and add power during its downward descent."
Were you referring to the variable transmission doing the augmentation of power?
If this is possible Then I see no reason why you couldnt build an easy auto engaging and disengaging machine to move prepetualy due to the constant overstored power held and then released in the overcrankable clock spring
So why is it that this wont work exactly?
Re: Free electricity generator
by Scrupulous » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:35 am
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You are a prime candidate to study mechanical engineering, because you obviously love it.
This concept is overlooking several causes for energy loss, and making some assumptions without alot of support. If you want to calculate the amount of energy going thru your system, just use the basic energy equations to start with:
Potential Energy = mass x gravity constant x height
and
Kinetic Energy (translational) = 1/2 x mass x velocity^2
If you want to get more accurate with kinetic energy, then you may need to calculate angular (rotational) kinetic energy. But that gets into inertia, which kinda complicates things. So, you can just figure orbital speeds and use the above KE equation to approximate, say, the energy of a spinning flywheel.
Also, anytime you have dynamic friction, you have to measure the heat created (very difficult to do unless the system is well-insulated from its environment).
This concept is overlooking several causes for energy loss, and making some assumptions without alot of support. If you want to calculate the amount of energy going thru your system, just use the basic energy equations to start with:
Potential Energy = mass x gravity constant x height
and
Kinetic Energy (translational) = 1/2 x mass x velocity^2
If you want to get more accurate with kinetic energy, then you may need to calculate angular (rotational) kinetic energy. But that gets into inertia, which kinda complicates things. So, you can just figure orbital speeds and use the above KE equation to approximate, say, the energy of a spinning flywheel.
Also, anytime you have dynamic friction, you have to measure the heat created (very difficult to do unless the system is well-insulated from its environment).
Re: Free electricity generator
by arcadiagiulio » Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:12 am
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freddyboy wrote:(...) = perpetual motion
Perpetual motion + static friction generated in a pipe = free static electricity
Perpetual motion doesn't exists, it has been confirmed by long time.
Re: Free electricity generator
by Scrupulous » Fri Aug 13, 2010 11:43 am
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Well, not exactly. There is perpetual motion everywhere. Weather patterns are always moving. The planet turns forever, for all practical purposes. Atomic electrons are theoretically always in motion, which, by definition, is an electrical current all around us. And so on...
The issue is defining the boundaries of the system, and your frame of reference. For example, satellites in geo-synchronous orbit do not appear to be in motion, when you are standing on the ground. But they do, if you're watching from the moon (not that I've ever been there).
The issue is defining the boundaries of the system, and your frame of reference. For example, satellites in geo-synchronous orbit do not appear to be in motion, when you are standing on the ground. But they do, if you're watching from the moon (not that I've ever been there).
Re: Free electricity generator
by freddyboy » Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:36 pm
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What I meant to say is overunity device not perpetual motion.
Just one more question guys thanks youve been very helpfull. Is it possible to not only conserve but multiply the energy from gravity on the way down in a Clockspring if you lift it manually the first time then simply drop it?
What kind of energy from torque on the way down do I recieve in the spring coil with a variable speed transmission attached to amplify the energy intake.
Is there a way to amplify the energy intake on the way down?
Also can we do some math related to these questions with a weight and height of your choosing?
Just one more question guys thanks youve been very helpfull. Is it possible to not only conserve but multiply the energy from gravity on the way down in a Clockspring if you lift it manually the first time then simply drop it?
What kind of energy from torque on the way down do I recieve in the spring coil with a variable speed transmission attached to amplify the energy intake.
Is there a way to amplify the energy intake on the way down?
Also can we do some math related to these questions with a weight and height of your choosing?
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