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by bottleslingguy » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:49 pm
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Mopar you handled that really well. I'm proud of you. Scroop has a lot to offer in the form of good advice and common sense inventing (tm). Tim is someone else to pay attention to. Here's an example of where I'm coming from with my opinion and perspective. My wife and I were debating whether to get a wood stove or a pellet stove. She wanted the pellet because it was easy to use due to the convenience of the fuel. It's in bags so it's clean and easy to handle. You just pour it in the hopper and it does the work for you. I wanted the conventional wood stove because it doesn't need electricity to work. It is quite a chore moving the logs from place to place, gets a little messy and the quality of the fuel can vary, but when an ice storm knocks out power for a couple weeks or the fuel companies stop delivering fuel you can still stay warm. There are no moving parts just a couple vents. It is passive and works on principle and does not need an external power supply. I love things like that. Guess what I am installing this week? Guess who's lugging a cord of wood this week?
Don't let me stop you from pursuing your dream. You have to be thinking about the people who will hit your invention below the belt and be ready for that. You will always have someone who doesn't like your idea for one reason or another. What it boils down to is whether or not it will make you or a licensor money. I don't expect to reach 100% of the bottle feeding market, but just ten percent of the market still makes it a worthwhile return on investment. You and I both are up against well established, well entrenched, stubborn markets that don't succumb to change very easily. Be ready, willing and able to walk away from it- life's too short.
Don't let me stop you from pursuing your dream. You have to be thinking about the people who will hit your invention below the belt and be ready for that. You will always have someone who doesn't like your idea for one reason or another. What it boils down to is whether or not it will make you or a licensor money. I don't expect to reach 100% of the bottle feeding market, but just ten percent of the market still makes it a worthwhile return on investment. You and I both are up against well established, well entrenched, stubborn markets that don't succumb to change very easily. Be ready, willing and able to walk away from it- life's too short.
by MOPAR78 » Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:41 am
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BSG, Congrats on your stove. We bought ours 3 years ago to help cut fuel cost and it did by 1/2. At today’s fuel prices it saves us close to $1,800.00 a year. We love ours. I just need to get my lazy butt to work and start splitting wood.
When I started this whole inventing deal, I went into it knowing the odds were well against me. Example; I have only been to Atlantic City a couple of times while visiting my father in-law. When I went, I took just enough money that I was prepared to lose in order to take a chance, have some fun and maybe even win. And I did (both lose the money and had fun). I went into it prepared.
I am prepared in the same ways with my invention. I still have a long way to go in the process. It has not even cleared the USPTO yet, but I am prepared for rejection should it come. Meanwhile I am enjoying the knowledge I am learning from this whole process.
I almost dropped this whole ordeal a few years ago but I had a problem with the "not knowing what would have happened" part of it. It would have always bugged me wondering about it. Not to mention the regrets I would have if a similar product were too come to market later.
Ronald F. Pickle
Inventor of the:
Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet Systems.
Simply a "Better Toilet"
My Site: http://bettertoilet.com/
My Blog: http://bettertoilet.blogspot.com/
When I started this whole inventing deal, I went into it knowing the odds were well against me. Example; I have only been to Atlantic City a couple of times while visiting my father in-law. When I went, I took just enough money that I was prepared to lose in order to take a chance, have some fun and maybe even win. And I did (both lose the money and had fun). I went into it prepared.
I am prepared in the same ways with my invention. I still have a long way to go in the process. It has not even cleared the USPTO yet, but I am prepared for rejection should it come. Meanwhile I am enjoying the knowledge I am learning from this whole process.
I almost dropped this whole ordeal a few years ago but I had a problem with the "not knowing what would have happened" part of it. It would have always bugged me wondering about it. Not to mention the regrets I would have if a similar product were too come to market later.
Ronald F. Pickle
Inventor of the:
Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet Systems.
Simply a "Better Toilet"
My Site: http://bettertoilet.com/
My Blog: http://bettertoilet.blogspot.com/
by bottleslingguy » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:09 am
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Small world hunh?
I was rejected twice and the attorney was like, "What do you want to do? How do you want to fight this rejection?" and I thought, "Isn't that YOUR job?". I am satisfied pretty much just having the patent (actually two, other is a design pat). But hell I don't have any reason to put the idea in a drawer at this point, so why quit? I've found two or three other products that are worn by the parent when bottle feeding a baby so I know there is a market for them. I need to get mine in the hands of a celebrity couple or on the cover of PEOPLE with their newborn and Brad Pitt wearing one.
Other than that, we decided to relocate the stove in a more centralize spot in the house. That means the chimney is going through the roof. Guess who's PAYING the company to install it?
KARMA'S A BITCH AIN'T IT???
I was rejected twice and the attorney was like, "What do you want to do? How do you want to fight this rejection?" and I thought, "Isn't that YOUR job?". I am satisfied pretty much just having the patent (actually two, other is a design pat). But hell I don't have any reason to put the idea in a drawer at this point, so why quit? I've found two or three other products that are worn by the parent when bottle feeding a baby so I know there is a market for them. I need to get mine in the hands of a celebrity couple or on the cover of PEOPLE with their newborn and Brad Pitt wearing one.
Other than that, we decided to relocate the stove in a more centralize spot in the house. That means the chimney is going through the roof. Guess who's PAYING the company to install it?
KARMA'S A BITCH AIN'T IT???
by MOPAR78 » Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:21 am
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Yes it is.
Did you get it installed yet? If so I hope it went smooth. Probably too hot to try it now, but later when it's cooler, like to hear how it's working for you. Did you get an economizer/heat exchanger to add to the vent pipe? We have one on ours and it makes a big difference.
Ronald F. Pickle
Inventor of the:
Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet Systems.
Simply a "Better Toilet"
My Site: http://bettertoilet.com/
My Blog: http://bettertoilet.blogspot.com/
Did you get it installed yet? If so I hope it went smooth. Probably too hot to try it now, but later when it's cooler, like to hear how it's working for you. Did you get an economizer/heat exchanger to add to the vent pipe? We have one on ours and it makes a big difference.
Ronald F. Pickle
Inventor of the:
Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet Systems.
Simply a "Better Toilet"
My Site: http://bettertoilet.com/
My Blog: http://bettertoilet.blogspot.com/
by SilverNitrate » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:14 pm
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If this is like a standard porcelain toilet, it seem tho it may cost at least 5x that of a regular commode. Water freezing in a porcelain toilet is of concern for those in cold climates so generally an airvac system may work best, some urban subdivisions use them since they use less water.
by MOPAR78 » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:04 am
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I am introducing two more features that can be added to any of their toilets, whether it is an affordable standard model or their top of the line model. Super flushers or Water conserving. Does not matter what they are made of. It’s a system/feature that is added. Kind of like the intermitting feature that was added to the windshield wiper. 
Toilets are cast in a 1000+ different ways. This is just another cast design and would not have significant if any cost impact. Further research will prove this.
Not sure about the Airvac toilets. Thanks for the info; I will research those as well. Cannot imagine there would be much of a market for toilet design to operate below freezing. I would hate to know I had to sit on one of those. I am guessing they are used in home that may become vacant during the winter. That would make sense.
Not “inventingâ€
Toilets are cast in a 1000+ different ways. This is just another cast design and would not have significant if any cost impact. Further research will prove this.
Not sure about the Airvac toilets. Thanks for the info; I will research those as well. Cannot imagine there would be much of a market for toilet design to operate below freezing. I would hate to know I had to sit on one of those.
I am guessing they are used in home that may become vacant during the winter. That would make sense.
Not “inventingâ€
by SilverNitrate » Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:10 pm
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MOPAR78 wrote:I am introducing two more features that can be added to any of their toilets, whether it is an affordable standard model or their top of the line model. Super flushers or Water conserving. Does not matter what they are made of. It’s a system/feature that is added. Kind of like the intermitting feature that was added to the windshield wiper.
The design is ingenious, just that practical reality is that un-often a toilet stops up, well in case of a grade-school all the time. But in house hold most water leaks come from cracked toilet, rims, or plumbing. Cold/vacant houses would flood from cracked toilets by the ice freezing in them, so when thaw they'll leak. An airvac is a pump kinda like a garbage disposal for the toilet, or like how an airplane commode work.
-Just my take on the idea.
by MOPAR78 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:51 am
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That is certainly a different set up. A corner of the market I will stay out of. Real expensive set up but it has its place.
Most of the toilets that overflow are due to things that are placed in them that should not be. Example; children throwing things in them, paper towels/rags used when the toilet papers out and female product are just a few.
The overflow feature serves two purposes. It offers temporary overflow protection in the event of toilet stoppage. And to allow the odor removal feature to continue to function in the event of an overflow.
Ronald F. Pickle
Inventor of the:
Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet Systems,
simply a " Better Toilet".
www.bettertoilet.com
www.bettertoilet.blogspot.com
Most of the toilets that overflow are due to things that are placed in them that should not be. Example; children throwing things in them, paper towels/rags used when the toilet papers out and female product are just a few.
The overflow feature serves two purposes. It offers temporary overflow protection in the event of toilet stoppage. And to allow the odor removal feature to continue to function in the event of an overflow.
Ronald F. Pickle
Inventor of the:
Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet Systems,
simply a " Better Toilet".
www.bettertoilet.com
www.bettertoilet.blogspot.com