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by bottleslingguy » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:56 pm
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That's just the beginning my friend. 
Hey I got the stove in. Did it myself and saved $680 labor and $483 in credit for different parts to go through the roof instead of up the gable end through a wall. Been running it every night for the past two weeks for a couple hours. It's getting chilly down your way hunh?
No economizer, but I hate all that heat wasted up the chimney. I'm thinking of running a copper coil inside it to pre heat my hot water. just kidding.
Hey I got the stove in. Did it myself and saved $680 labor and $483 in credit for different parts to go through the roof instead of up the gable end through a wall. Been running it every night for the past two weeks for a couple hours. It's getting chilly down your way hunh?
No economizer, but I hate all that heat wasted up the chimney. I'm thinking of running a copper coil inside it to pre heat my hot water. just kidding.
by MOPAR78 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:52 pm
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BSG,
That’s a clean set up!! Looks nice!!
Cool to see that you saved all that money doing the install yourself...
I hope one day my idea will be a project for the average home builder.
I have thought about doing studies on installations. Offer a free unit and cover the cost of materials. All I would require is an honest opinion the install and product. This would give real world results. Valuable info...
Ok, I got to ask... Phil, If I am fortunate enough to move ahead with my idea and need some real would opinions, would you consider test driving one for me???
Ron
www.bettertoilet.com
www.bettertoilet.blogspot.com
That’s a clean set up!! Looks nice!!
Cool to see that you saved all that money doing the install yourself...
I hope one day my idea will be a project for the average home builder.
I have thought about doing studies on installations. Offer a free unit and cover the cost of materials. All I would require is an honest opinion the install and product. This would give real world results. Valuable info...
Ok, I got to ask... Phil, If I am fortunate enough to move ahead with my idea and need some real would opinions, would you consider test driving one for me???
Ron
www.bettertoilet.com
www.bettertoilet.blogspot.com
by abacus » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:53 pm
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Hi MOPAR78,
That was a wild ride.Worth thousands[of bucks].Seems like,it is, a brilliant experience in terms of discovering your invention/product through the eyes of other people,finding out what works for them and what doesn't.
I suspect the market will be twice as hostile[for anybody]or at least you should assume that to optimise your entry and sales.
I would like this opportunity,the only thing that's missing is the 'softening'of the product for the consumer point of view.
Did you not worry about publicising so much,all,the information from patenting/possible competition point of view?I know there is widespread dodginess by inventors about revealing anything.
What was the basis of exposing your product?
Hope things are progressing.Good luck.
That was a wild ride.Worth thousands[of bucks].Seems like,it is, a brilliant experience in terms of discovering your invention/product through the eyes of other people,finding out what works for them and what doesn't.
I suspect the market will be twice as hostile[for anybody]or at least you should assume that to optimise your entry and sales.
I would like this opportunity,the only thing that's missing is the 'softening'of the product for the consumer point of view.
Did you not worry about publicising so much,all,the information from patenting/possible competition point of view?I know there is widespread dodginess by inventors about revealing anything.
What was the basis of exposing your product?
Hope things are progressing.Good luck.
by bottleslingguy » Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:05 pm
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Hey Ron, sorry I didn't see that last post!
Sure I'd try one and even do videos for YT while using it.
Sure I'd try one and even do videos for YT while using it.
by MOPAR78 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:09 am
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Hi abacus,
Thanks for taking the time to read the post.
It's been an interesting journey for me so far. The neat thing about it is (for me at least) it's like playing a role playing game for the first time. You never know what’s around the corner or how long it's going to last.
I don't think there are any great written rules on how to go from start to finish. I am sure everyone has opinions and guide lines but every idea/invention, IMO, needs to be handled in its own way.
It's a learning experience especially for a first timer. I have found that it is best not to rush, never quite you researching, watch out for the predators (nothing is really for free or a great deal), be open minded, go with you best thoughts on how to proceed though the whole process and always be ready for failure because it's a lurking reality.
The reason I have taken the route of exposure is that I felt it was important to document and record the originality of my idea worldwide once it was protected as much as possible. This in itself is further protection as well IMO. People are quick to point it out for you if it's been done (and that’s a good thing, it's free). So far all that has come back was information I already had about a hand full of odorless toilet's and IMO have room for improvements that mine addresses.
I realize it's still a long shot that my invention will mature into reality, but for now I have the satisfaction of knowing that I have presented to the market, the potential possibility of a first odorless and overflow-less system that can be incorporated into any residential/commercial toilet or urinal. It's hard to describe but for me as a first time inventor that is a satisfying feeling in itself.
Hope this made sense.
Thanks,
Ronald F. Pickle
Thanks for taking the time to read the post.
It's been an interesting journey for me so far. The neat thing about it is (for me at least) it's like playing a role playing game for the first time. You never know what’s around the corner or how long it's going to last.
I don't think there are any great written rules on how to go from start to finish. I am sure everyone has opinions and guide lines but every idea/invention, IMO, needs to be handled in its own way.
It's a learning experience especially for a first timer. I have found that it is best not to rush, never quite you researching, watch out for the predators (nothing is really for free or a great deal), be open minded, go with you best thoughts on how to proceed though the whole process and always be ready for failure because it's a lurking reality.
The reason I have taken the route of exposure is that I felt it was important to document and record the originality of my idea worldwide once it was protected as much as possible. This in itself is further protection as well IMO. People are quick to point it out for you if it's been done (and that’s a good thing, it's free). So far all that has come back was information I already had about a hand full of odorless toilet's and IMO have room for improvements that mine addresses.
I realize it's still a long shot that my invention will mature into reality, but for now I have the satisfaction of knowing that I have presented to the market, the potential possibility of a first odorless and overflow-less system that can be incorporated into any residential/commercial toilet or urinal. It's hard to describe but for me as a first time inventor that is a satisfying feeling in itself.
Hope this made sense.
Thanks,
Ronald F. Pickle
by MOPAR78 » Thu Jan 29, 2009 5:13 am
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bottleslingguy wrote:Hey Ron, sorry I didn't see that last post!
Sure I'd try one and even do videos for YT while using it.
No problem BSG!!
Hey, I got a great idea for a commercial that would be funny as heck!!
If it ever comes to be, I'll be knocking at your door!!
by abacus » Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:24 am
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Thanks,MOPAR78,that was interesting and useful,and made great sense.
'The reason I have taken the route of exposure is that I felt it was important to document and record the originality of my idea worldwide once it was protected as much as possible. This in itself is further protection as well IMO'
That seems to me to be a master strategy in the making for inventors and their inventions at a particular stage,MOPAR78.
It clicked with me.
'The reason I have taken the route of exposure is that I felt it was important to document and record the originality of my idea worldwide once it was protected as much as possible. This in itself is further protection as well IMO'
That seems to me to be a master strategy in the making for inventors and their inventions at a particular stage,MOPAR78.
It clicked with me.
by MOPAR78 » Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:38 am
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Wow. There is a new player on the market paving the way.
http://www.penguintoilets.com/index.cfm
So now there is a self contained Odorless toilet (The V.I.P.) and a self contained overflow-less toilet. I wonder if anyone can figure out a feasible way to do a self contained Odorless and Overflow-less toilet? Me, I'm sticking to my guns.
http://www.penguintoilets.com/index.cfm
So now there is a self contained Odorless toilet (The V.I.P.) and a self contained overflow-less toilet. I wonder if anyone can figure out a feasible way to do a self contained Odorless and Overflow-less toilet? Me, I'm sticking to my guns.
by bottleslingguy » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:18 am
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What happens when a piece of tp blocks the overflow holes? Remember, it's not clear water going down and there was a reason it clogged in the first place. Let's say your family is chronic overflowers and the separate overflow channel gets a lot of use. Even if it happens only once or twice, eventually that sucker is gonna stink to high hell. You don't have to take my word for it, go over to your bathroom sink and sniff those overflow holes. After a while they start to stink if you don't pour bleach or some other heavy duty cleaner down there. I also have a problem with that little built in trap. How do you clear it? Auger won't fit. If it is a trap it will clog eventually and sinks don't usually carry the same rancid crap as toilets (but I have run into that), so unless that new toilet has some kind of constant air filtering/exchange going on I don't think they will be around for long.
by abacus » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:30 am
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Bsg,your analysis is a pile of s..t.[only joking]
Your analysis is to me an example of how inventors can critique other inventors' ideas/prototypes to optimise their inventions/product ideas.
What a resource of pooled ideas,experiences,perception.
This happened earlier in this thread with mopartz odorless/overflowless toilet.What an invalueable assessment/critique.
Such a process would be worth it's weight in gold.
This same critique could be applied by inventors et al to all procedures of the inventive process undertaken by inventors at any stage.
I know there are confidentiality issues,but to expose your processes to critiques [constructive/non-malicious] is so valuable.
It seems to me that inventors need objectivity,and recognising that there are well-differentiated realities involved in the inventive process to market
and that attention to and awareness of it's details increases chances of
success,will ground invention and reduce casualties,where ignorance and deluded self-protection wreck many inventors and inventions.
Your analysis is to me an example of how inventors can critique other inventors' ideas/prototypes to optimise their inventions/product ideas.
What a resource of pooled ideas,experiences,perception.
This happened earlier in this thread with mopartz odorless/overflowless toilet.What an invalueable assessment/critique.
Such a process would be worth it's weight in gold.
This same critique could be applied by inventors et al to all procedures of the inventive process undertaken by inventors at any stage.
I know there are confidentiality issues,but to expose your processes to critiques [constructive/non-malicious] is so valuable.
It seems to me that inventors need objectivity,and recognising that there are well-differentiated realities involved in the inventive process to market
and that attention to and awareness of it's details increases chances of
success,will ground invention and reduce casualties,where ignorance and deluded self-protection wreck many inventors and inventions.