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by MOPAR78 » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:42 pm
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bottleslingguy wrote:What happens when a piece of tp blocks the overflow holes? Remember, it's not clear water going down and there was a reason it clogged in the first place. Let's say your family is chronic overflowers and the separate overflow channel gets a lot of use. Even if it happens only once or twice, eventually that sucker is gonna stink to high hell. You don't have to take my word for it, go over to your bathroom sink and sniff those overflow holes. After a while they start to stink if you don't pour bleach or some other heavy duty cleaner down there. I also have a problem with that little built in trap. How do you clear it? Auger won't fit. If it is a trap it will clog eventually and sinks don't usually carry the same rancid crap as toilets (but I have run into that), so unless that new toilet has some kind of constant air filtering/exchange going on I don't think they will be around for long.
My thoughts exactly!! I believe I have mine handled in this department. 
There is no way you can block solids and not expect quick problems. Mine allows the flow of them on a temporary basis until maintenance can be done and there is a procedure to do at that time to sanities the system. Also extra measures have been taken to make cleaning/clearing much simpler.
by MOPAR78 » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:53 pm
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abacus wrote:Bsg,your analysis is a pile of s..t.[only joking]
Your analysis is to me an example of how inventors can critique other inventors' ideas/prototypes to optimise their inventions/product ideas.
What a resource of pooled ideas,experiences,perception.
This happened earlier in this thread with mopartz odorless/overflowless toilet.What an invalueable assessment/critique.
Such a process would be worth it's weight in gold.
This same critique could be applied by inventors et al to all procedures of the inventive process undertaken by inventors at any stage.
I know there are confidentiality issues,but to expose your processes to critiques [constructive/non-malicious] is so valuable.
It seems to me that inventors need objectivity,and recognising that there are well-differentiated realities involved in the inventive process to market
and that attention to and awareness of it's details increases chances of
success,will ground invention and reduce casualties,where ignorance and deluded self-protection wreck many inventors and inventions.
True!!
I took Phil's comments the wrong way at first, but it in fact helped me to look at it from a different angle. This resulted in some slight mods to overcome certain issues. Both physically and literacy. (I hope those are the right words).
by abacus » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:29 pm
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I thought your publicising move was a great move,MOPAR78.Especially with various forum members able to see it and critique it.Brave move.
You did a real good job on your site.
Setting up a pre-sales demonstration web-site may be a good move for inventors with near-market or market-ready protoypes,especially if they are in inventors forums,and other member are prepared to provide feed-back,information/advice.Support-call a spade a spade.
If there was a parallel blog spot for this particular purpose,with feed-back ranging from businessplans to market strategies,pricing,manufacture etc.
Immersion and interaction accelerates and consolidates learning-boy,does it!
You did a real good job on your site.
Setting up a pre-sales demonstration web-site may be a good move for inventors with near-market or market-ready protoypes,especially if they are in inventors forums,and other member are prepared to provide feed-back,information/advice.Support-call a spade a spade.
If there was a parallel blog spot for this particular purpose,with feed-back ranging from businessplans to market strategies,pricing,manufacture etc.
Immersion and interaction accelerates and consolidates learning-boy,does it!
by bottleslingguy » Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:46 pm
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It might seem like I am just picking on these toilet ideas but I actually spend a lot of time fixing the damn things so I have a ton of real world experience with them and how they behave years down the line. I won't try to stop anyone from pursuing any idea they fully believe in because I don't know everything (although I'm sure some people think I think I do). The issues I've brought up may not be an issue and the inventors may have come up with solutions before there is even a problem. I mostly bring things up to see either how the inventor has accounted for that or if they've even thought of it before they get too far into it. I really am just trying to help.
Personally I like to defend my ideas but I am always ready to walk away if someone brings up a good point that can't be overcome. It is all done in good spirit so please don't anyone walk away pissed off. I'm glad my thoughts helped Mopar get around some issues, like I said, that's the goal.
Ab, "immersion" is a good word but maybe not in a thread about toilets.
Personally I like to defend my ideas but I am always ready to walk away if someone brings up a good point that can't be overcome. It is all done in good spirit so please don't anyone walk away pissed off. I'm glad my thoughts helped Mopar get around some issues, like I said, that's the goal.
Ab, "immersion" is a good word but maybe not in a thread about toilets.
Re: Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet System
by MOPAR78 » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:43 am
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It's been over a year, maybe some news by next year from the USPTO.
Re: Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet System
by MOPAR78 » Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:12 pm
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Still waiting....
Re: Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet System
by bottleslingguy » Sun Jan 31, 2010 6:54 am
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Sux don't it? How's the weather down there?
Re: Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet System
by JoeWaisman » Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:07 am
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Mopar, I love your idea. In fact I was thinking about something similar 6 years ago...a toilet seat with channels built into it that could attach to a vent and fan with a brushless motor (brushed motors spark frequently). The reality is there is a product that addresses the need for odor removal, though perhaps not as well as yours. I LOVE the overflow protection. It seems so obvious and simple now that I see it, which is of course a characteristic of most good inventions. It should also be known that the problem with motors burning out is not a new one and the solution is quite well known...brushless IC controller driven motors that will only spin at a certain speed regardless the load, or lack of in a clog situation.
For those who doubt the need for an in-toilet vent system sit on the toilet with the fan running during a #2 session and you'll find that the turbulence actually spreads the scent around the room. An in-toilet fan takes care of it at the source and can remove the offending gases with less energy....so yes Mopar, your invention is very green because it displaces the need for a power hungry general bathroom fan (except to vent moisture from showers).
I rent atm and would consider a cheap system but if I were building a house or remodeling I would definitely choose your toilet over any other.
Mopar, I love your idea. In fact I was thinking about something similar 6 years ago...a toilet seat with channels built into it that could attach to a vent and fan with a brushless motor (brushed motors spark frequently). The reality is there is a product that addresses the need for odor removal, though perhaps not as well as yours. I LOVE the overflow protection. It seems so obvious and simple now that I see it, which is of course a characteristic of most good inventions. It should also be known that the problem with motors burning out is not a new one and the solution is quite well known...brushless IC controller driven motors that will only spin at a certain speed regardless the load, or lack of in a clog situation.
For those who doubt the need for an in-toilet vent system sit on the toilet with the fan running during a #2 session and you'll find that the turbulence actually spreads the scent around the room. An in-toilet fan takes care of it at the source and can remove the offending gases with less energy....so yes Mopar, your invention is very green because it displaces the need for a power hungry general bathroom fan (except to vent moisture from showers).
I rent atm and would consider a cheap system but if I were building a house or remodeling I would definitely choose your toilet over any other.
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Fun links:
*http://www.scribd.com/doc/441708/Bad-Predictions-About-Great-Inventions
Re: Odorless and Overflow-less Toilet System
by MOPAR78 » Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:22 am
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bottleslingguy wrote:Sux don't it? How's the weather down there?
Hi BSG! How's it going man? The weather down here has been wet and cold, but probably better than yours. Can't wait for spring, I hate the cold!!