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Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by Scrupulous » Fri Jun 04, 2010 1:06 pm
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Is it just me, or does it seem like it's taking way too long to cap the oil leak?
There is a set of drawings that clearly shows how to build a cap that simply seals the leak. I think most technical people would agree that it shouldn't take six weeks to reduce the spilling by a poor 5%.
When you consider that along with the circumstances surrounding the accident, to begin with, it starts to look a little worse than negligence. This almost looks planned.
There is a set of drawings that clearly shows how to build a cap that simply seals the leak. I think most technical people would agree that it shouldn't take six weeks to reduce the spilling by a poor 5%.
When you consider that along with the circumstances surrounding the accident, to begin with, it starts to look a little worse than negligence. This almost looks planned.
Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by Sexxxy Beast » Fri Jun 04, 2010 3:33 pm
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For there to be a plan there needs to be a goal, what goal would it serve to create this disaster?
You could argue that an environmentalist sabotaged the gulf but then they would also be killing millions of marine life...
You could argue that real estate developers did it because then people on the gulf would sell their houses on the cheap...
You could argue that the oil clean up guys did it so they could make some money...
etc etc, in any disaster there are those who benefit from it.
Clearly atleast 2 things had to go wrong in this instance, first the rig had to explode and secondly the blowout preventer had to malfunction. Eh i dunno mate.
You could argue that an environmentalist sabotaged the gulf but then they would also be killing millions of marine life...
You could argue that real estate developers did it because then people on the gulf would sell their houses on the cheap...
You could argue that the oil clean up guys did it so they could make some money...
etc etc, in any disaster there are those who benefit from it.
Clearly atleast 2 things had to go wrong in this instance, first the rig had to explode and secondly the blowout preventer had to malfunction. Eh i dunno mate.
Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by JoeWaisman » Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:10 pm
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The problem for me is they're not talking about the scientific causes of the oil leak..sure there's a pipe in the ground and it's leaking oil, but that doesn't tell us enough. There are two obvious, extremely different, possible situations here:
1) Oil is generally less dense than water, so it floats. There could be zero pressure and the oil would leak out. In this case the cap would work very well. But really, the top kill method should have been more successful if this were true, this suggests:
2) The rate of oil flow *might* mean that pressure is forcing it out. Have you ever put your hand over the edge of a running hose? It takes a great deal of force to stop the water from coming out entirely. The same would be true of a cap in this case.
If this winds up being true then they would need to install a relief valve below the top, and open the relief valve while the top is being welded on, or secured in some fashion.
As for underwater robots, we have groups at the local colleges who build autonomous robots that *only* go down under water, recognize an object, and return with it. It takes a great deal to make these work properly. Simply put the tools needed to cap this are not simple, and not readily available to my knowledge.
Was this intentional? Probably not. Were they so unprepared for this that their actions might be considered neglectful? Maybe.
1) Oil is generally less dense than water, so it floats. There could be zero pressure and the oil would leak out. In this case the cap would work very well. But really, the top kill method should have been more successful if this were true, this suggests:
2) The rate of oil flow *might* mean that pressure is forcing it out. Have you ever put your hand over the edge of a running hose? It takes a great deal of force to stop the water from coming out entirely. The same would be true of a cap in this case.
If this winds up being true then they would need to install a relief valve below the top, and open the relief valve while the top is being welded on, or secured in some fashion.
As for underwater robots, we have groups at the local colleges who build autonomous robots that *only* go down under water, recognize an object, and return with it. It takes a great deal to make these work properly. Simply put the tools needed to cap this are not simple, and not readily available to my knowledge.
Was this intentional? Probably not. Were they so unprepared for this that their actions might be considered neglectful? Maybe.
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Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by Scrupulous » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:31 am
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Hmm...I don't know. Yes, we're dealing with high pressure and limited access. But, this is a simple engineering problem, as technical problems go, and more than likely takes a simple solution. There's ongoing discussions on the web about why they didn't just crimp the pipe (and possibly kink it) when they had the chance. We're talking about pipes that are built to handle the pressure in the first place.
Instead, all the silly things that have already been tried, as well as the disinfo that gets published about it, leads more and more to something really fishy. No, there are plenty of reasons why certain people would stage something like this. Heck, "governents" push wars that kill people, why would money interest groups care about the environent? You could even make the case that environmentalists themselves have a motive to create such a catastrophe, just to turn people away from oil. One of the bottom lines is: Why was the well containment system designed so that it could fail so tragically?
You may have to solve it like a crime, before you get some real answers. And you might have to look at other objectives than the ones we're all expected to believe. Ask yourself why we need to drill for oil in the first place. Set aside the "official" story that oil companies want to stay in business, for a moment. Suppose there was some geological need to relieve the oil pressure deep underground, or some global need to simply remove it. Earth is a pretty big place. Remember, it is only a theory that oil comes from fossils. There are other competing theories about where oil comes from, which may lead to more clues.
Consider that the commercial considerations for crude oil apparently came about long before the combustion engine was ready for exploitation. The technology for alternative power supplies, some suppressed, appeared to be primed much earlier, and long before the picture for ICE's was fabricated.
Instead, all the silly things that have already been tried, as well as the disinfo that gets published about it, leads more and more to something really fishy. No, there are plenty of reasons why certain people would stage something like this. Heck, "governents" push wars that kill people, why would money interest groups care about the environent? You could even make the case that environmentalists themselves have a motive to create such a catastrophe, just to turn people away from oil. One of the bottom lines is: Why was the well containment system designed so that it could fail so tragically?
You may have to solve it like a crime, before you get some real answers. And you might have to look at other objectives than the ones we're all expected to believe. Ask yourself why we need to drill for oil in the first place. Set aside the "official" story that oil companies want to stay in business, for a moment. Suppose there was some geological need to relieve the oil pressure deep underground, or some global need to simply remove it. Earth is a pretty big place. Remember, it is only a theory that oil comes from fossils. There are other competing theories about where oil comes from, which may lead to more clues.
Consider that the commercial considerations for crude oil apparently came about long before the combustion engine was ready for exploitation. The technology for alternative power supplies, some suppressed, appeared to be primed much earlier, and long before the picture for ICE's was fabricated.
Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by nutzo18 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:59 am
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Look at the facts....The CEOs of BP sold their stock in BP 2 weeks before the oil spill even happened. Its all about the money guys...Rockefeller's own BP...NOW, there will be a stop of any drilling in the gulf or in America at all. The environmentalists now are going to want to stop it because they think that this disaster "could" happen again.
The truth is that THIS COUNTRY, America, has as much oil in it as Saudi Arabia, and if we were to become self sufficient as a country in oil by itself, then the Powers above (Ex: Rockefeller's, Rothchild's, etc) wouldnt be able to control, the oil (the money), and america could actually have some money, not be in Trillions of debt, and become self sufficient as a country. It's about the manipulation of money, and controlling the worlds money and oil. Therefore, creating a one world order, blah blah blah. It's a big huge scam. Just like 9/11....which the Bush family bought TONS of stock in homeland security just weeks before the twin towers went down.
The info is all over the internet. Just start researching it...
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The truth is that THIS COUNTRY, America, has as much oil in it as Saudi Arabia, and if we were to become self sufficient as a country in oil by itself, then the Powers above (Ex: Rockefeller's, Rothchild's, etc) wouldnt be able to control, the oil (the money), and america could actually have some money, not be in Trillions of debt, and become self sufficient as a country. It's about the manipulation of money, and controlling the worlds money and oil. Therefore, creating a one world order, blah blah blah. It's a big huge scam. Just like 9/11....which the Bush family bought TONS of stock in homeland security just weeks before the twin towers went down.
The info is all over the internet. Just start researching it...
-Sean
Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by Sexxxy Beast » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:15 pm
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I was just thinking an explosive could clamp the pipe, im sure it would be very difficult for a robotic clamp to crimp the pipe shut, but if you put some sort of explosive power crimping device you could clamp it shut. Apparently water works great at dampening explosives, you could put a piece of metal in front of some c4 and slam that puppy into the pipe and collapse it!
Or you could do explosives on both sides of the pipe, explode them simultaneously and that could also close the pipe.
You could guide a rover to place the charge on the pipe and just flip a switch.
Isn't the pipe like a mile below the surface, its practically untouchable by anything else really.can you imagine guiding anything from a ship in the gulf with all those waves etc, what a nightmare.
Explosives is the way to go just like in the movies!
Or you could do explosives on both sides of the pipe, explode them simultaneously and that could also close the pipe.
You could guide a rover to place the charge on the pipe and just flip a switch.
Isn't the pipe like a mile below the surface, its practically untouchable by anything else really.can you imagine guiding anything from a ship in the gulf with all those waves etc, what a nightmare.
Explosives is the way to go just like in the movies!
Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by rather-be-golfing » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:40 pm
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Put a long (100 ft or so), thin, balloon made of heavy rubber compressed inside a flexible tube. (The tube should come apart under internal pressure.) Connect a hydraulic hose into the balloon. Direct the hose and tube down into the well as far as possible. (thousands of feet?) Quickly inflate the balloon with hydraulic fluid (air bag quick!). The tube should come apart during the inflation allowing the rubber to grip the walls of the well.
Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by Scrupulous » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:30 pm
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rather-be-golfing wrote:Put a long (100 ft or so), thin, balloon made of heavy rubber inside a flexible tube. (The tube should come apart under pressure.) Connect a hydraulic hose into the balloon. Direct the hose and tube down into the well as far as possible. (thousands of feet?) Quickly inflate the balloon with hydraulic fluid (air bag quick!). The tube should come apart during the inflation allowing the rubber to grip the walls of the well.
Yep. That's probably the way to go. Something that generates static friction along the insides of the pipe. Distribute the opposing force over a much greater surface area. I thought about something like this, myself...maybe something like an expanding bolt or concrete-type anchor. It has to be heavy enough to overcome the pressure, whatever that is. And it probably needs to be streamlined, like a spear or something.
More than likely, you can cut a large number of steel rods, each successive rod having a slightly larger diameter. Thread the ends, so that the pieces assemble together like a pool cue, at or near the surface of the water. Lower it down by cable, into the pipe, and let the weight of all the steel push it down the pipe and stop the flow.
This heavy plug approach may even be better, since you don't need to deal with the oil actually reducing the friction. In this case, the lubrication would actually help. You could even use steel pipes filled with concrete.
Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by JoeWaisman » Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:38 pm
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Sexxxy Beast wrote:I was just thinking an explosive could clamp the pipe [...]
Explosives is the way to go just like in the movies!
I'm on board, but I don't think you're going big enough. Let's nuke the oil rig! That'll teach it to leak all over the gulf.
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Re: Was the Gulf BP oil spill intentional?
by Sexxxy Beast » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:22 am
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watched a video on it, here watch for yourself what the hell happened!
Btw, its 5000 ft below the surface!
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=F2C0N78A
***Screw nukes, we need to get serious, lets Deep Impact/Armageddon the well. We need some asteroids, a rocket, and some hookers....
Btw, its 5000 ft below the surface!
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=F2C0N78A
***Screw nukes, we need to get serious, lets Deep Impact/Armageddon the well. We need some asteroids, a rocket, and some hookers....
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