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INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
by bzguy » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:16 pm
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At the risk of being told to do my homework, i have been trying to do just that, and find a great deal of conflicting info on various venues.
My plight............
Several good ideas, have them routinely while working with inferior products, etc.
Thought of Teevo the first time i saw a 7-11 security tape system, many years before it was marketed.
Thought of space elevator, 25 years before it was recently on discovery.
This does not make me a genius, unique, or even unequivocally qualified, but i do have several more that make just as much sense, cannot find them on searches.
i have been told by Michelle among others how daunting a process and minimal the chances of success are, and all my money is currently tied up in over-inflated Caribbean real estate..
Patents, prototypes are tough on sophisticated ideas, like for instance a radical new energy saving auto transmission.
How can i get intellectual property rights without spending a fortune, and does this really protect me if i do manage to get it?
My plight............
Several good ideas, have them routinely while working with inferior products, etc.
Thought of Teevo the first time i saw a 7-11 security tape system, many years before it was marketed.
Thought of space elevator, 25 years before it was recently on discovery.
This does not make me a genius, unique, or even unequivocally qualified, but i do have several more that make just as much sense, cannot find them on searches.
i have been told by Michelle among others how daunting a process and minimal the chances of success are, and all my money is currently tied up in over-inflated Caribbean real estate..
Patents, prototypes are tough on sophisticated ideas, like for instance a radical new energy saving auto transmission.
How can i get intellectual property rights without spending a fortune, and does this really protect me if i do manage to get it?
Last edited by bzguy on Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:47 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: INTELLECTUAL POPERTY
by Scrupulous » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:19 am
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bzguy, assuming you're refering to patent rights, the only way to do that is to file for one. A provisional will do also. Prior to that point, the only thing you can do to guarantee seniority with the patent office (assuming you're talking about the US) is to begin documenting the development of your concept as soon as you conceive it, and don't stop--not for more than a week or two at a time--until you have reduced it to practice.
There are two ways to reduce it to practice: 1) prototype a functioning model, or 2) file an enabling patent application. In your case, where the concept involves many moving parts that need to work almost perfectly in order to substantiate your claims, trust me, you'd be better off just filing an application. That way, you can enjoy several legal advantages, such as being able to use general mention of well-known sub-assemblies and incorporation-by-reference of existing patent specifications, all instead of having to physically purchase and assemble all of those parts.
And, in a case where your concept would be considered a rather disruptive technology, you may again want to reconsider all of the additional time, money, and effort that you would be sinking into a working model. Sure, there's no guarantee that anyone would be willing to license it, unless they thought it was as appealing as you hope. But if that were the case, there may not be any good reason to consider anything less than a patent pending status. Any type of confidentiality or non-compete agreement would need to have your claimable features well-defined in the document, if they'd have a chance of holding up in court...so if you go that far, then you might as well file the provisional and be done with it.
Tough situation, I know...but an interesting one. Thanks for your participation here, and welcome to the forums.
There are two ways to reduce it to practice: 1) prototype a functioning model, or 2) file an enabling patent application. In your case, where the concept involves many moving parts that need to work almost perfectly in order to substantiate your claims, trust me, you'd be better off just filing an application. That way, you can enjoy several legal advantages, such as being able to use general mention of well-known sub-assemblies and incorporation-by-reference of existing patent specifications, all instead of having to physically purchase and assemble all of those parts.
And, in a case where your concept would be considered a rather disruptive technology, you may again want to reconsider all of the additional time, money, and effort that you would be sinking into a working model. Sure, there's no guarantee that anyone would be willing to license it, unless they thought it was as appealing as you hope. But if that were the case, there may not be any good reason to consider anything less than a patent pending status. Any type of confidentiality or non-compete agreement would need to have your claimable features well-defined in the document, if they'd have a chance of holding up in court...so if you go that far, then you might as well file the provisional and be done with it.
Tough situation, I know...but an interesting one. Thanks for your participation here, and welcome to the forums.
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As a forum moderator, though, any input I provide should be considered general information, and not legal advice. The ideas I express are not necessarily the opinions of InventorSpot.com or its affiliates. In general, any action taken as a result of information, analysis, or advice from any forum members on this site is ultimately the user's responsibility.
Re: INTELLECTUAL POPERTY
by Roger Brown » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:37 am
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In the absence of real life materials you can also try animation to prove proof of concept. You can also use programs like Google sketch to make concept drawings without spending a lot of money.
Come visit my sites at http://www.RogerBrown.net
or http://www.looking2license.com
I have gotten 9 products licensed spending less than $100 on each, you can too.
or http://www.looking2license.com
I have gotten 9 products licensed spending less than $100 on each, you can too.
Re: INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
by bzguy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:46 am
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Hi Scrupulous,
Thanks for your patience and time. I have looked into all the processes you mentioned and the number one problem is at this point money. Months ago, Michelle discouraged me with a bit of the reality of what it actually costs to patent something, so I took another avenue.
I had dumped 4 Florida properties at the peak of the market, thought I would be wise and get out of the US before the proverbial crap hit the fan, and foolishly invested in building a Caribbean island resort. That market has not tanked quite as bad, but is stagnant at this time, and until it moves, I will not be patenting anything without some kind of financing agreement.
I was taken advantage of by contractors in Belize, and am now gun-shy, really need to be steered in the right direction before making any move of that type!
Still willing to listen to ideas on this subject!
Happy new year!
Thanks for your patience and time. I have looked into all the processes you mentioned and the number one problem is at this point money. Months ago, Michelle discouraged me with a bit of the reality of what it actually costs to patent something, so I took another avenue.
I had dumped 4 Florida properties at the peak of the market, thought I would be wise and get out of the US before the proverbial crap hit the fan, and foolishly invested in building a Caribbean island resort. That market has not tanked quite as bad, but is stagnant at this time, and until it moves, I will not be patenting anything without some kind of financing agreement.
I was taken advantage of by contractors in Belize, and am now gun-shy, really need to be steered in the right direction before making any move of that type!
Still willing to listen to ideas on this subject!
Happy new year!
Re: INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
by bzguy » Wed Dec 29, 2010 7:54 am
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Hello Roger,
I need to confer/collaborate with an expert on fluid dynamics before I could make an accurate/working sketch of my concept. I have auto-cad, but to be honest I am a self-taught novice at graphics. I will check out the google thing when someone helps me with the actual most efficient shape to illustrate a working model. This is probabbly elementary to someone in that field.
Need help there? Anyone? Thanks!
I need to confer/collaborate with an expert on fluid dynamics before I could make an accurate/working sketch of my concept. I have auto-cad, but to be honest I am a self-taught novice at graphics. I will check out the google thing when someone helps me with the actual most efficient shape to illustrate a working model. This is probabbly elementary to someone in that field.
Need help there? Anyone? Thanks!
Re: INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
by Roger Brown » Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:08 am
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Go to your local college and look for a computer graphics major. You can get them to do work for hire for a very reasonable cost. Also put an ad on Craig's List.
Come visit my sites at http://www.RogerBrown.net
or http://www.looking2license.com
I have gotten 9 products licensed spending less than $100 on each, you can too.
or http://www.looking2license.com
I have gotten 9 products licensed spending less than $100 on each, you can too.
Re: INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
by Scrupulous » Fri Dec 31, 2010 6:03 pm
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bzguy wrote:Hi Scrupulous,
Thanks for your patience and time. I have looked into all the processes you mentioned and the number one problem is at this point money. Months ago, Michelle discouraged me with a bit of the reality of what it actually costs to patent something, so I took another avenue.
I had dumped 4 Florida properties at the peak of the market, thought I would be wise and get out of the US before the proverbial crap hit the fan, and foolishly invested in building a Caribbean island resort. That market has not tanked quite as bad, but is stagnant at this time, and until it moves, I will not be patenting anything without some kind of financing agreement.
I was taken advantage of by contractors in Belize, and am now gun-shy, really need to be steered in the right direction before making any move of that type!
Still willing to listen to ideas on this subject!
Happy new year!
Well, what I meant was that you seem to be well-spoken enough, and technically capable of writing your own provisional application. Honestly, it's a matter of explaining the concept so that a layperson could understand it. If the inventive part of the device is able to be easily conveyed with words, then that's the important part. Heck, if you need help, let me know. If it's worth developing, then consider spending the hundred bucks and just get it on file.
Cheers
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I'm Ken Campbell, a registered US patent practitioner at the Affordable Patent Service™.
As a forum moderator, though, any input I provide should be considered general information, and not legal advice. The ideas I express are not necessarily the opinions of InventorSpot.com or its affiliates. In general, any action taken as a result of information, analysis, or advice from any forum members on this site is ultimately the user's responsibility.
I'm Ken Campbell, a registered US patent practitioner at the Affordable Patent Service™.
As a forum moderator, though, any input I provide should be considered general information, and not legal advice. The ideas I express are not necessarily the opinions of InventorSpot.com or its affiliates. In general, any action taken as a result of information, analysis, or advice from any forum members on this site is ultimately the user's responsibility.
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