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by makeworldbetter » Thu Oct 16, 2008 4:40 pm
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There are many methods to process an invention from idea to product. Many try to invent a systematic way to do just so. Among them, I found EN is most suitable for me and I believe it will work for many inventors. Unfortunately there is no way it can suit everybody.
That being said, there are many routs out there lead to almost no where. There are services designed to land on your pocket, not your invention.
I know EN has its limit and its own focused field, and it’s far from perfect. However, I would like to see more platforms as honest as them and helps inventors as much; maybe in different form and different field. The least thing I want to see is organization that targets on inventors’ pocket.
That being said, there are many routs out there lead to almost no where. There are services designed to land on your pocket, not your invention.
I know EN has its limit and its own focused field, and it’s far from perfect. However, I would like to see more platforms as honest as them and helps inventors as much; maybe in different form and different field. The least thing I want to see is organization that targets on inventors’ pocket.
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by Roger Brown » Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:51 pm
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Whamzam it is okay to have varying viewpoints and look at things from every angle to see if it is real or hype. Trying to destory a person or companies reputation just to get a reaction is not the best method for attaining that goal.
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by Boom Man » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:57 pm
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Trying to destory a person or companies reputation just to get a reaction is not the best method for attaining that goal.
Maybe he feels that somebody was trying to or otherwise destroy his reputation. Different people have different ways of responding to stimuli. The defensive mechanism in each individual is conditioned from the various life experiences each has.
If he was/is seeing things the way I do, (And he may well be since he mentioned 'The inventor community as a whole'), then such view is that the EN group causes embarrassment to certain kinds of inventors.
It goes without saying that every experienced inventor knows that inventors have had a bad rap in the corporate arena. Getting well known labels as "Wacky" and "Unprofessionals". And unfortunately, I have to say why not?
If an 8 year old kid can be an inventor, it is obviously not a profession.
Honestly, I'm embarrassed to tell anyone I'm an inventor. If anyone asks me what I do for a living, and I say "I'm an inventor"; Standing right next to them is their 8 year old kid, and they say "Oh, my little darling here is also an inventor..." ..... Where do you go from there?
There is a big difference between the napkin sketching inventors, and what I call real inventors. There is much more work involved in real inventing, and more thought provoking detail than an 8 year old kid can practically accomplish.
So, in all honesty, not trying to be mean, but that really is how I honestly feel: That companies like EN gives us Real inventors a bad name.
by makeworldbetter » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:22 am
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Telling people that you are an inventor without a big house and nice car behind you, that's pretty much as telling people you are jobless. Only successful inventor can afford to be full time.
Then again, telling people that your job is to play stock can mean many different things. I know some people live up hill with nice city view do just that. If same words come out from a fresh graded I would advice any young female I know not to date him.
I was never shamed about telling people that I am an inventor. That's what I love and what I am good at. Of course I would tell them I am an computer engineer and an inventor. I can afford to go just inventing. On the other hand I also invent here and there in computer software field.
Then again, telling people that your job is to play stock can mean many different things. I know some people live up hill with nice city view do just that. If same words come out from a fresh graded I would advice any young female I know not to date him.
I was never shamed about telling people that I am an inventor. That's what I love and what I am good at. Of course I would tell them I am an computer engineer and an inventor. I can afford to go just inventing. On the other hand I also invent here and there in computer software field.
by Boom Man » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:02 am
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Yea, but even a kid can have a big house and nice car waiting for him when he turns 18. You could have a kid who just gets lucky with one really grand idea. (Would he then be considered successful for the rest of his life?) I guess to the gold diggers out there he would be...
But to professionals and corporations, he would be just considered one lucky new money kid. And that's what we are talking about here. "Inventors" are not respected in the corporate world.; And that's nearly a cliche.
We need to figure out what we can do to improve the image of inventors as a whole. And I just don't believe that EN is helping with that.
Coming up with an idea is the easy part. I could come up with ideas all day long; I could come up with great ideas all day long. All the hard parts and leg work come after that (or at least they are supposed to).
And when you flood the market with inventors, and all these new "inventors", it diminishes the value of inventors. Well, the perfect way to flood the market with inventors is with the business model of EN.
Look, the patent office is swamped with applications unlike anything ever seen before. There is more of a risk than ever that after you conduct a professional prior art search, get a patent, that evidence emerges that prior art did in fact exist. Eventually, this is going to cause this bubble to burst. Inventions overall are ever decreasing in value.
The way to keep enough inventors for progressive innovation in society, but not over flood to the point that everybody thinks they are an inventor, is to make inventors work hard; Make them have to go far beyond the "fun" part. That's the only way they are going to be truly respected and valued.
But to professionals and corporations, he would be just considered one lucky new money kid. And that's what we are talking about here. "Inventors" are not respected in the corporate world.; And that's nearly a cliche.
We need to figure out what we can do to improve the image of inventors as a whole. And I just don't believe that EN is helping with that.
Coming up with an idea is the easy part. I could come up with ideas all day long; I could come up with great ideas all day long. All the hard parts and leg work come after that (or at least they are supposed to).
And when you flood the market with inventors, and all these new "inventors", it diminishes the value of inventors. Well, the perfect way to flood the market with inventors is with the business model of EN.
Look, the patent office is swamped with applications unlike anything ever seen before. There is more of a risk than ever that after you conduct a professional prior art search, get a patent, that evidence emerges that prior art did in fact exist. Eventually, this is going to cause this bubble to burst. Inventions overall are ever decreasing in value.
The way to keep enough inventors for progressive innovation in society, but not over flood to the point that everybody thinks they are an inventor, is to make inventors work hard; Make them have to go far beyond the "fun" part. That's the only way they are going to be truly respected and valued.
by makeworldbetter » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:35 am
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You know, you are taking a different spin on my example. I tried to post a different message.
I don't think we should try to change the image of inventors. It's almost like to say I can change the image of bikers just because I own a bike. This is a free world, you can't change something you have no control over. We can't control others behavior. The best you can do is to set a brand name. On this topic, I think EN is doing a great job for invention companies btw.
With or without EN, there will be new inventor want to be everyday. As soon as people learn one can make money on royalty, inventions... they will try to come out something. You and I have no say on what's happening.
When I say EN is doing a great job, I meant EN is giving a channel for some inventor's dream come true. If this brand name is loud enough, there will be more and more companies know where to find innovations, and EN will be able to widen their field, I think that will be good for more inventors. Do you see my point? I hope this time you do.
Boom Man wrote:We need to figure out what we can do to improve the image of inventors as a whole. And I just don't believe that EN is helping with that.
I don't think we should try to change the image of inventors. It's almost like to say I can change the image of bikers just because I own a bike. This is a free world, you can't change something you have no control over. We can't control others behavior. The best you can do is to set a brand name. On this topic, I think EN is doing a great job for invention companies btw.
With or without EN, there will be new inventor want to be everyday. As soon as people learn one can make money on royalty, inventions... they will try to come out something. You and I have no say on what's happening.
When I say EN is doing a great job, I meant EN is giving a channel for some inventor's dream come true. If this brand name is loud enough, there will be more and more companies know where to find innovations, and EN will be able to widen their field, I think that will be good for more inventors. Do you see my point? I hope this time you do.
by Boom Man » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:10 pm
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When I say EN is doing a great job, I meant EN is giving a channel for some inventor's dream come true.
Well, that's fine. I would be happy for them. But that won't make them respected. And it won't make the inventor community respected. When people at home are watching Everday Edisons, they see somebody or even a kid walk in with nothing but an idea sketch; Then they see an army of people do everything else from working out the kinks, design, packaging, market research, and everything else, ....
What do you think they are thinking? I'll tell you exactly what they are thinking: "That lucky -----, ...I could have come up with something better than that!"
Yea, they make these inventors "Sit-in" on discussions and talk. But the EN staff ultimately decides on everything, and does all the work.
With or without EN, there will be new inventor want to be everyday
That's great! There always have been. But there is a strong thick line between an "inventor" and a "Real Edison" or Wright brothers style inventor. You wouldn't have as many "inventors" if they had to work like Edison did.
On this topic, I think EN is doing a great job for invention companies btw.
Yes they are! But they are not improving the image of inventors. They are weakening it.
As soon as people learn one can make money on royalty, inventions... they will try to come out something
The problem is that royalty payments are lasting less and less in duration. You are extremely lucky if you recieve royalty payments nowadays for more than 3 years. Though a patent is good for 20 years, competing products, and even the company you license to will get around your patent. And therefore, not pay you any more royalties. Why should they?
I don't think we should try to change the image of inventors.
Then they will just keep on getting looked down upon.
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by makeworldbetter » Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:14 pm
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Boom Man wrote: But that won't make them respected. And it won't make the inventor community respected.
With this statement and the "change the image for inventors" goal. I know what's the problem here. You think you can represent most of us; but you only represent yourself. I am sure some people watching EE and think: "That's a good idea, why didn't I think of that?"
One thing I like particular about EE is they don't talk much about money. Not royalty nor million dollar bonus, they just talk about dream come true. I admire that.
by Boom Man » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:15 pm
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You think you can represent most of us; but you only represent yourself.
Well I don't know, if you look in nearly every single issue of Inventors Digest from 1999-2007, you will see that the editorial staff and nearly all contributing authors held this same cliche. I don't know what the magazine implies now because I stopped subscribing when it became non-independent and biased. Also, The UIAUSA holds this same premise.
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You are in the computer software field, and I respect that; But you probably didn't notice because even though you may have referred to yourself as an inventor, corporate world probably considered you to be a computer programmer or something of the like.
I am sure some people watching EE and think: "That's a good idea, why didn't I think of that?"
I would suspect very few; Regardless, most people would feel they could do better, even if they wish they could have thought of something. When they try, who knows? I don't know what qualifies the judges to be such judges, but I am certain many inventors who get turned down for whatever reason can be far superior inventors than those who get chosen.
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by makeworldbetter » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:35 pm
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You are thinking again that you representing majority and people think different than you are not.
If we can decide what's majority opinion by voting, On the topic of "Would inventors be better off with existence of EN or without?" Why don't you take a look around? what is going to be? You and Whamzam or rest of us? The only way you can win this is to create more accounts with only few posts on each. Common, sometime you just have to ask yourself this question: " Am I really right or just being stubbon?"
If you say I see what most people can not see, I would respect that; just don't prentend the majority opinion is always with you.
If we can decide what's majority opinion by voting, On the topic of "Would inventors be better off with existence of EN or without?" Why don't you take a look around? what is going to be? You and Whamzam or rest of us? The only way you can win this is to create more accounts with only few posts on each. Common, sometime you just have to ask yourself this question: " Am I really right or just being stubbon?"
If you say I see what most people can not see, I would respect that; just don't prentend the majority opinion is always with you.