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by Scrupulous » Sat Sep 01, 2007 9:29 am
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This is more of a survey, than a vote.
Comments are greatly appreciated, though.
Comments are greatly appreciated, though.
by bottleslingguy » Sat Sep 01, 2007 4:21 pm
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Yes as long as my airfare and hotel were paid for.
by Scrupulous » Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:02 am
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bottleslingguy wrote:Yes as long as my airfare and hotel were paid for.
Naturally.
by mojo62 » Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:13 am
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Do you mean as in a court of law? As an active member of a private forum, I automatically become a witness to what has taken place. I would hope to never have to become a witness to who has said what or came up with an idea or input. After all, it would all be in writing !
by bottleslingguy » Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:23 am
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Did my comment cause me to appear cheap? 
It's not so much that I'm cheap as it is that I am relatively poor. I can't afford such extravagence as being a witness to the truth. That is unless I can do it while sitting here in my underwear.
It's not so much that I'm cheap as it is that I am relatively poor. I can't afford such extravagence as being a witness to the truth. That is unless I can do it while sitting here in my underwear.
by Michelle » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:19 am
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Scrup:
I think your question is not clear and needs clarification. I am not quite sure what you are asking from this question. Can you edit it or clarify in a new post?
Scrupulous and I have been discussing the mechanism for access to a private forum. We then need a mechanism to keep the information in that forum "private".
The challenge then is what levels of protection are members going to be willing to provide and willing to commit to. It's complicated a bit as the level of protection needed really depends on the purpose of the forum.
I think there should be different forums with difference levels of access and responsibility.
I think that for an initial non-public forum, just merely agreeing in an email short agreement that there is an understanding that the information is confidential and not to be disclosed may be sufficient to gain access.
There, you can discuss how things would be structured to protect ideas and what types of forums you want and how you will protect everyone involved to the extent protection is needed. (understanding that by protection, all we mean is the right to pursue legal actions and moral obligations).
If you want to collaborate on a project together and actually share ownership of it, then I think a more formal process needs to happen with actual agreements written up and signed that have been blessed by IP attorneys. I would suggest a different project specific private forum for each of those project discussions. Perhaps it can start in a Private forum, then when an idea gets to be more real, go to a Super Private forum?
If someone wants to go in a "private" forum to discuss their idea and get feedback on their ideas/inventions, it's a whole other issue fraught with lots of risks for those who disclose and for those with access to the info.
I think if you guys want it, this too should be limited access, with proper understanding and legal protections as last thing you want is someone to blurt out an idea you had (that you had yourself) and then get involved in a fight. My advice would be to stay clear of this until you really have thought through all the issues. You may want to create a review committee, disclose all the credentials and info about the committee, have all the folks in committee sign on, have a previewer preview things to go on committee, before anything gets reviewed.
Also, this website needs to be protected from any liability or involvement in any potential disclosures or issues involving "private" forums. We are only providing a vehicle to assist you all, and there could be tons of ways of information gets released to the public or used improperly. So anything that goes on, forum members would clearly need to be release us from any liability or exposure, and indemnify us, and protect us from potential exposure.
People need to understand that on the web, nothing is really private. It's out on the web and limiting access is just an attempt that anyone who really wants the info can get access to pretty easily.
So Scrupulous, I think you should try to figure out what is best structure for the first level of private forum and gaining access. Perhaps in that private forum, first point business would be figuring out what people want from a private forum (or different forums) and how to structure them properly?
Michelle
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I think your question is not clear and needs clarification. I am not quite sure what you are asking from this question. Can you edit it or clarify in a new post?
Scrupulous and I have been discussing the mechanism for access to a private forum. We then need a mechanism to keep the information in that forum "private".
The challenge then is what levels of protection are members going to be willing to provide and willing to commit to. It's complicated a bit as the level of protection needed really depends on the purpose of the forum.
I think there should be different forums with difference levels of access and responsibility.
I think that for an initial non-public forum, just merely agreeing in an email short agreement that there is an understanding that the information is confidential and not to be disclosed may be sufficient to gain access.
There, you can discuss how things would be structured to protect ideas and what types of forums you want and how you will protect everyone involved to the extent protection is needed. (understanding that by protection, all we mean is the right to pursue legal actions and moral obligations).
If you want to collaborate on a project together and actually share ownership of it, then I think a more formal process needs to happen with actual agreements written up and signed that have been blessed by IP attorneys. I would suggest a different project specific private forum for each of those project discussions. Perhaps it can start in a Private forum, then when an idea gets to be more real, go to a Super Private forum?
If someone wants to go in a "private" forum to discuss their idea and get feedback on their ideas/inventions, it's a whole other issue fraught with lots of risks for those who disclose and for those with access to the info.
I think if you guys want it, this too should be limited access, with proper understanding and legal protections as last thing you want is someone to blurt out an idea you had (that you had yourself) and then get involved in a fight. My advice would be to stay clear of this until you really have thought through all the issues. You may want to create a review committee, disclose all the credentials and info about the committee, have all the folks in committee sign on, have a previewer preview things to go on committee, before anything gets reviewed.
Also, this website needs to be protected from any liability or involvement in any potential disclosures or issues involving "private" forums. We are only providing a vehicle to assist you all, and there could be tons of ways of information gets released to the public or used improperly. So anything that goes on, forum members would clearly need to be release us from any liability or exposure, and indemnify us, and protect us from potential exposure.
People need to understand that on the web, nothing is really private. It's out on the web and limiting access is just an attempt that anyone who really wants the info can get access to pretty easily.
So Scrupulous, I think you should try to figure out what is best structure for the first level of private forum and gaining access. Perhaps in that private forum, first point business would be figuring out what people want from a private forum (or different forums) and how to structure them properly?
Michelle
InventorSpot.com
by Work2XL » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:00 pm
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Wow, Michelle I think we all got what you said from what Scrup wrote. That seemed pretty obvious. (Just kidding) As always, you bring a clarifing light to our discussions. Though I'm currently not part of any of the private forums, you bring up several great possiblilites for them. I have offered to give any input that I can if anyone in the group has a question I may know something about. I do have one question. If in a "Super Secret" forum you disclose a project, would that be considered "Public disclosure" by any foreign countries for patent purposes?
My hunch is no, but I wouldn't want to bet the farm on one of my hunches.
Randy
My hunch is no, but I wouldn't want to bet the farm on one of my hunches.
Randy
by Scrupulous » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:01 pm
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mojo62 wrote:Do you mean as in a court of law? As an active member of a private forum, I automatically become a witness to what has taken place. I would hope to never have to become a witness to who has said what or came up with an idea or input. After all, it would all be in writing !
Yes. Ultimately, there is the possibility that testimony would be needed to support documentation in a court of law. Of course, the chances of that ever becoming necessary is very slim.
It's even slimmer, if people here can show a willingness to pull together as a small community of fair individuals, before they become members of a private forum. That's because anybody who would consider misappropriating ideas would be much less likely to do that, if they thought that there was a good number of loyal members here, who all had each other's backs.
The point is, all you need to do is say that you'd be willing to support other members, and co-operate for the good of a group. You would probably never need to prove it by testifying in a courtroom to what you've witnessed, especially if you make it seem as if you would.
Listen, inventing is serious business. No one should start off by taking it lightly. There are tremendous opportunities available to members here, when they can act as a group. This is a meeting place for many talented individuals. I can visualize a network of resources here, which will include everything it would take to get a product off the ground. I can see groups working together in teams to submit winning projects for innovation contests and challenges. I can see this place as being widely recognized as the one place to go, to develop an idea, turn it into a product, and put it in the hands of thousands (maybe millions) of consumers. It may take nothing more than to begin writing up agreements for a this virtual corporation. But we would need to know that we're dealing with people we can rely on.
All of this would rely upon a showing of cooperation. We've been putting that together, little by little. And, as soon as a critical mass is established, there's really no way to stop this. But, we gotta do it right.
by Scrupulous » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:13 pm
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bottleslingguy wrote:Did my comment cause me to appear cheap?
It's not so much that I'm cheap as it is that I am relatively poor. I can't afford such extravagence as being a witness to the truth. That is unless I can do it while sitting here in my underwear.
Not at all, BSG. Your comment made you appear realistic.
Your financial situation wouldn't matter. You're obviously a very intelligent guy with a well-polsihed background. You have a lot more to offer than money. I'd be more than comfortable trusting you with understanding technical things.
As far as sitting around in your underwear, that's probably all we'd need. Seriously, as members, just making a printout of a posted message from this website every now and then, and putting it somewhere safe and sound, is probably all we'd need to do for each other. I don't think that's too much to ask.
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