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Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by Scrupulous » Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:55 am
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Re: Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by JoeWaisman » Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:42 am
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Interesting find Scrup'. There are many untapped energy sources out there. This could easily be a scam, or the introduction of the magnet is putting energy into the system, and the wheel is acting as a flywheel. If I see a valid explanation of why it works and perhaps video of it running for an extended period of time (maybe an hour), or build my own I'll consider it valid.
I'm no expert, but I have looked at hundreds of "free energy" designs (to make sure my own energy extraction idea is unique). Most of them are reposts from a select few people who are seeking "investment" and "donations". In other words, when you see something like this hold onto your pocket book. That said, if you build one and it works, let us know
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I'm no expert, but I have looked at hundreds of "free energy" designs (to make sure my own energy extraction idea is unique). Most of them are reposts from a select few people who are seeking "investment" and "donations". In other words, when you see something like this hold onto your pocket book. That said, if you build one and it works, let us know
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Re: Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by jackbnimble56 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:07 am
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I think what you're looking at there is simply magnets in action. Making the lid spin around that way has NOTHING to do with the electric motor. He could just as easily left the motor out and substituted an axle and gotten the same result. This is really nothing new and in fact, magnetic levitation (maglev) has been under study for some time now as a possible means of moving trains at high speed with essentially zero friction. If I'm not mistaken, there's a popular ride at Disney World in which a roller coaster on a track is accelerated to the point where it's launched vertically up to the end of the track resulting in a brief sensation of zero gravity before reversing direction and falling back down to the original starting point. The ride works by a maglev system that requires significant electrical power to operate.
The demonstration is a bit deceiving in my opinion because scale up of such a device virtually impossible. It's simply not practical and it may not even be possible to build PERMANENT magnets of the size needed to levitate something as heavy as a train or even lighter passenger vehicles. Permanent magnets of that size would probably be downright dangerous because of their ability to attract ferrous metals that cannot be turned off. If a person got close enough to a very large permanent magnet, they could suddenly find themselves being launched through the air and getting stuck to the magnet by their belt buckle. If you doubt such a thing could happen you should know that there is a documented case of a patient undergoing and MRI who killed when a large oxygen tank that should have been cleared from the room was suddenly drawn in by the magnetic field and ended up striking and killing the patient. Magnetic levitation can only really be done on any significant scale using non-permanent electromagnets that require large amounts of electricity to work. And even if it were practical to do so, creating permanent magnets requires putting energy into the metal to magnetize it so in reality, even the energy coming from permanent magnets isn’t really "free".
Jack
The demonstration is a bit deceiving in my opinion because scale up of such a device virtually impossible. It's simply not practical and it may not even be possible to build PERMANENT magnets of the size needed to levitate something as heavy as a train or even lighter passenger vehicles. Permanent magnets of that size would probably be downright dangerous because of their ability to attract ferrous metals that cannot be turned off. If a person got close enough to a very large permanent magnet, they could suddenly find themselves being launched through the air and getting stuck to the magnet by their belt buckle. If you doubt such a thing could happen you should know that there is a documented case of a patient undergoing and MRI who killed when a large oxygen tank that should have been cleared from the room was suddenly drawn in by the magnetic field and ended up striking and killing the patient. Magnetic levitation can only really be done on any significant scale using non-permanent electromagnets that require large amounts of electricity to work. And even if it were practical to do so, creating permanent magnets requires putting energy into the metal to magnetize it so in reality, even the energy coming from permanent magnets isn’t really "free".
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Re: Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by squishyalt » Sat Jan 23, 2010 4:03 pm
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The real problem here is that the poster has deceived many with this tripe.
If the poster mounted the magnet he had in his hand to the table in a fixed spot, this would NOT work. The reason it works in the video is that the minute movement of his hand gives the required energy to spin the rotor. He cannot (nor can anyone else) hold his hand absolutely still. Those small, inoluntary movements are all it takes to keep this thing going.
Electricity is created only when there are systems of unequal pressure. Energy is created when on thing (wind or water or sunlight) is IN MOTION because it is seeking a state of equilibrium and we intercept that movement and put it to work for us (usually turning a rotor).
The closest thing that I have seen to a permanent magnet motor is a device that has been patented in Germany. It seems to spin for a long time (but I cannot verify how long as I have none to test). My guess is that it is just powerful enough to spin its rotor and that any additional friction or resistance would stop it very quickly (I don't think it produces any significant amount of torque).
You can see it here -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLOlH7UzdNo.
If the poster mounted the magnet he had in his hand to the table in a fixed spot, this would NOT work. The reason it works in the video is that the minute movement of his hand gives the required energy to spin the rotor. He cannot (nor can anyone else) hold his hand absolutely still. Those small, inoluntary movements are all it takes to keep this thing going.
Electricity is created only when there are systems of unequal pressure. Energy is created when on thing (wind or water or sunlight) is IN MOTION because it is seeking a state of equilibrium and we intercept that movement and put it to work for us (usually turning a rotor).
The closest thing that I have seen to a permanent magnet motor is a device that has been patented in Germany. It seems to spin for a long time (but I cannot verify how long as I have none to test). My guess is that it is just powerful enough to spin its rotor and that any additional friction or resistance would stop it very quickly (I don't think it produces any significant amount of torque).
You can see it here -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLOlH7UzdNo.
Re: Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by Scrupulous » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:08 pm
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squishyalt wrote:If the poster mounted the magnet he had in his hand to the table in a fixed spot, this would NOT work. The reason it works in the video is that the minute movement of his hand gives the required energy to spin the rotor. He cannot (nor can anyone else) hold his hand absolutely still. Those small, inoluntary movements are all it takes to keep this thing going.
Mmm-naww, it doesn't look like that's what's going on here. And frankly, I don't believe you have enough info to even suggest that. The guy would have to coordinate the force at a frequency of at least a few hundred Hertz. I would guess that is physically impossible for any human. Even if it was, you could simply replace the guy's hand with a spring-mounted magnet. If you're still curious, just click on any number of other videos for magnet motors, and you'll see many that use a fixed stator. I just posted this one because it cuts right to the chase.
Or you can just take the Blue Pill.
Re: Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by Hayseed » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:30 pm
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I have seen this type of thing done also. And believe it to work as you see it work.
I think the trouble is as you can see how big the wheel is in relation to the led and how fast the wheel is spinning, and yet the power genterated lights the bulb, I would think just by looking at the experiment as a whole, the little led which requires hardly any amps or volts to light, would actually blow the led light.
So the power generated will not even blow this little led.
To give and idea how much power it takes to light an led of this size, one example is in many items on product shelves, leds are used and lit up with out batteries or a magnetic motor. It is done by having the wires that come off the leds each attached to two different types of metal, and when these two different metals come into contact with one another, it starts a reaction that lights the bulb.
I think the trouble is as you can see how big the wheel is in relation to the led and how fast the wheel is spinning, and yet the power genterated lights the bulb, I would think just by looking at the experiment as a whole, the little led which requires hardly any amps or volts to light, would actually blow the led light.
So the power generated will not even blow this little led.
To give and idea how much power it takes to light an led of this size, one example is in many items on product shelves, leds are used and lit up with out batteries or a magnetic motor. It is done by having the wires that come off the leds each attached to two different types of metal, and when these two different metals come into contact with one another, it starts a reaction that lights the bulb.
Re: Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by Scrupulous » Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:50 pm
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I think the LED is just meant to show that there's a voltage in the circuit. But, considering friction, the simple fact that the rotor keeps going is probably all anyone needs to know...
Re: Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by JoeWaisman » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:54 pm
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Scrupulous wrote:If you're still curious, just click on any number of other videos for magnet motors, and you'll see many that use a fixed stator. I just posted this one because it cuts right to the chase.
Or you can just take the Blue Pill.
I'm curious. I've seen lots of patents for these magnetic motors...what would cause them to work?
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"The horse is here to stay but the automobile is only a novelty, a fad."
Fun links:
*http://www.scribd.com/doc/441708/Bad-Predictions-About-Great-Inventions
Re: Not Your Typical Free-Energy Device
by Scrupulous » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:53 am
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Joe, I think it may have something to do with the vector properties of magnetic fields...
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