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Re: Who is the mastermind behind InventorMentors?
by bottleslingguy » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:03 pm
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So Tania's not the founder of IM; why does her tag line say she is?
About the staff at IM. How were they assembled? In other words, you (or was it Tania) knew all these folks from around the web? If that's true, do you feel comfortable vouching for their credibility?
Here's the thing about "toxic" forums. They ALL have the potential to get that way. People make off topic remarks in every forum no matter what the subject (it's not exclusive to this place. happens all the time at Steve's site) and there actually isn't much "inventing" going on, seems to be a lot of "call me's". So IM is designed to prevent all the off topic stuff. That's great. Are there any costs/fees involved?
In your first post here you portrayed yourself as a relative newbie to inventing. You simply stated you were an inventor when in fact you have quite a long resume starting businesses and promoting yourself around the web. I think this is the shortest you've sold yourself to date. Why the humble entrance?
In, I think it was the second post you wrote to me, you challenged me to a match (I guess) between your accomplishments and mine. What was your point in that? What was it that I said that makes you think it challenges your accomplishments? And that if you "won", would make my opinions any less worth reading. I've never told anyone on this site to "call me" for my advice. Not that I was expecting anyone to want to anyway
, but what is this mysterious je'ne sais qoui concerning the phone call? What am I missing?
About the staff at IM. How were they assembled? In other words, you (or was it Tania) knew all these folks from around the web? If that's true, do you feel comfortable vouching for their credibility?
Here's the thing about "toxic" forums. They ALL have the potential to get that way. People make off topic remarks in every forum no matter what the subject (it's not exclusive to this place. happens all the time at Steve's site) and there actually isn't much "inventing" going on, seems to be a lot of "call me's". So IM is designed to prevent all the off topic stuff. That's great. Are there any costs/fees involved?
In your first post here you portrayed yourself as a relative newbie to inventing. You simply stated you were an inventor when in fact you have quite a long resume starting businesses and promoting yourself around the web. I think this is the shortest you've sold yourself to date. Why the humble entrance?
In, I think it was the second post you wrote to me, you challenged me to a match (I guess) between your accomplishments and mine. What was your point in that? What was it that I said that makes you think it challenges your accomplishments? And that if you "won", would make my opinions any less worth reading. I've never told anyone on this site to "call me" for my advice. Not that I was expecting anyone to want to anyway
, but what is this mysterious je'ne sais qoui concerning the phone call? What am I missing?
Re: Who is the mastermind behind InventorMentors?
by Mark Reyland » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:17 pm
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So you checked out teh site...what did you think?
So you checked out the site…w.hat did you think?
ANSWER: Many of them were professional inventor friends of mine, some were people we had been watching for a while to ensure they were competent in their field of study and had an attitude of helping new inventors. There were some who wanted to do it and we thought maybe they were not a good fit so we said no.
If you know of someone who has a great deal of experience and is a person who likes to help people I would love to add them to the list.
ANSWER: YES, it is not a “forum” in that sense….you cannot go on there and “Chat” about anything. You can ask a mentor a question, you can read the answer and you can say thank you. That’s it…. If you want to chat with a member, or a Mentor, you can PM them or email them off-line.
ANSWER: I didn’t portray myself as anything – I was new to this site, and the record confirms that. I didn’t know any of you folks since I had not been posting here. You call this a humble entrance?..... wow, what do I have to do to get your attention?
ANSWER: I never challenged you to anything – and I’ve looked at your background. It would hardly be fair to make the comparison between you and I. I run into that all the time, the person who wants to be treated like a professional inventor and the way they think they can gain respect is by throwing rocks at people – It’s a game I don’t like playing, but if I have to I normally don’t have a problem putting them in their place.
BTW – I don’t have to sell myself, I’m good at what I do – and what I do, I do more for others than for myself.
bottleslingguy wrote:So Tania's not the founder of IM; why does her tag line say she is?
About the staff at IM. How were they assembled? In other words, you (or was it Tania) knew all these folks from around the web? If that's true, do you feel comfortable vouching for their credibility?
Here's the thing about "toxic" forums. They ALL have the potential to get that way. People make off topic remarks in every forum no matter what the subject (it's not exclusive to this place. happens all the time at Steve's site) and there actually isn't much "inventing" going on, seems to be a lot of "call me's". So IM is designed to prevent all the off topic stuff. That's great. Are there any costs/fees involved?
In your first post here you portrayed yourself as a relative newbie to inventing. You simply stated you were an inventor when in fact you have quite a long resume starting businesses and promoting yourself around the web. I think this is the shortest you've sold yourself to date. Why the humble entrance?
In, I think it was the second post you wrote to me, you challenged me to a match (I guess) between your accomplishments and mine. What was your point in that? What was it that I said that makes you think it challenges your accomplishments? And that if you "won", would make my opinions any less worth reading. I've never told anyone on this site to "call me" for my advice. Not that I was expecting anyone to want to anyway
So you checked out the site…w.hat did you think?
ANSWER: Many of them were professional inventor friends of mine, some were people we had been watching for a while to ensure they were competent in their field of study and had an attitude of helping new inventors. There were some who wanted to do it and we thought maybe they were not a good fit so we said no.
If you know of someone who has a great deal of experience and is a person who likes to help people I would love to add them to the list.
ANSWER: YES, it is not a “forum” in that sense….you cannot go on there and “Chat” about anything. You can ask a mentor a question, you can read the answer and you can say thank you. That’s it…. If you want to chat with a member, or a Mentor, you can PM them or email them off-line.
ANSWER: I didn’t portray myself as anything – I was new to this site, and the record confirms that. I didn’t know any of you folks since I had not been posting here. You call this a humble entrance?..... wow, what do I have to do to get your attention?
ANSWER: I never challenged you to anything – and I’ve looked at your background. It would hardly be fair to make the comparison between you and I. I run into that all the time, the person who wants to be treated like a professional inventor and the way they think they can gain respect is by throwing rocks at people – It’s a game I don’t like playing, but if I have to I normally don’t have a problem putting them in their place.
BTW – I don’t have to sell myself, I’m good at what I do – and what I do, I do more for others than for myself.
Re: Who is the mastermind behind InventorMentors?
by bottleslingguy » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:48 am
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I want to reply to a lot of what you're saying and you are raising more questions but really you're getting vague in your responses. Could you write a specific response to each group of words that end in a question mark?
Take the question of who is the founder of IM. I've asked several times already and you still won't give me a straight answer.
Q. Who is the founder of IM?
A. So you checked out the site…w.hat did you think?
You say things like that which is not telling me what I am asking.This behavior (although you try to keep the light tone) smells of smoke and mirrors. Why can't you name names?
Take the question of who is the founder of IM. I've asked several times already and you still won't give me a straight answer.
Q. Who is the founder of IM?
A. So you checked out the site…w.hat did you think?
You say things like that which is not telling me what I am asking.This behavior (although you try to keep the light tone) smells of smoke and mirrors. Why can't you name names?
Re: Who is the mastermind behind InventorMentors?
by bottleslingguy » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:00 am
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Mark said:"I never challenged you to anything – and I’ve looked at your background. It would hardly be fair to make the comparison between you and I. I run into that all the time, the person who wants to be treated like a professional inventor and the way they think they can gain respect is by throwing rocks at people – It’s a game I don’t like playing, but if I have to I normally don’t have a problem putting them in their place."
Sure you did. You said you'd compare your accomplishments with mine, I guess the post was deleted (that's why I like to quote people). I'm not claiming to be a professional anything. It's a straw man argument on your end. So don't think there's anyplace you have to put me and so far your professionalism and straight talk express is running off the rails.
Please mark seriously, when I ask you a question answer it even if it is a yes or a no. I'm going to tire of giving you all this exposure unless you stop blowing smoke up my and everyone else's ear.
Sure you did. You said you'd compare your accomplishments with mine, I guess the post was deleted (that's why I like to quote people). I'm not claiming to be a professional anything. It's a straw man argument on your end. So don't think there's anyplace you have to put me and so far your professionalism and straight talk express is running off the rails.
Please mark seriously, when I ask you a question answer it even if it is a yes or a no. I'm going to tire of giving you all this exposure unless you stop blowing smoke up my and everyone else's ear.
Re: Who is the mastermind behind InventorMentors?
by bottleslingguy » Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:50 am
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Mark Reyland wrote:ANSWER: I never challenged you to anything – and I’ve looked at your background. It would hardly be fair to make the comparison between you and I. I run into that all the time, the person who wants to be treated like a professional inventor and the way they think they can gain respect is by throwing rocks at people – It’s a game I don’t like playing, but if I have to I normally don’t have a problem putting them in their place.
BTW – I don’t have to sell myself, I’m good at what I do – and what I do, I do more for others than for myself.
You looked into my background? How do you mean, like talked to Brown and Key? read stuff on the net? Googled me? I'm an open book, you don't need to go far to find that out. (again I guarantee I won't get a straight answer)
So you run into people who want to, "...be treated like a professional inventor..." all the time? That's some statement coming from someone as compassionate to the little guy as you portray yourself to be. When you put them in their place do they stay there or do you just delete and block them from your website?
See that's the difference between your (Tania's ?) site and this one. We usually let people hang themselves if they are out of line... a lot like you are doing right now. You may think you're coming across as a "winner" here, but I'll tell you, you may be wasting all those credentials with this episode not to mention soiling the credibility of your other website.
I can see this is going pretty much where I expected- I ask a question and you try to steer it where you want it to go. Well you can try that and it may work with some of your followers who are happy to eat the crap you serve but so far your responses (not answers) have been a waste of not only my time but this site's.
Maybe we should delete this whole thing?
Did you catch Michey's mentioning you guys were using this site like a cheap whore? I wanted to say that earlier but thought she might object to the aggressive language.
Re: Who is the mastermind behind InventorMentors?
by bottleslingguy » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:42 pm
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This is the way Mark Reyland, the founder of IM puts people in their place:
" Mark Reyland » 03 Jun 2009 04:51
Hey, Baby Bottle Boy...
you could be one of the stupidest people on the planet. No, Really – You have you been standing behind the dumbest product known to man for 10 years now…but deep down inside you already knew that didn’t you Phill? ….everyone else did I assure you.
You are the court jester of ISpot, the one who wants to be taken seriously but everyone knows they keep you around just for laughs…simply to see what stupid dribble spills from your mouth next. It’s not all bad, think of yourself as the Bob Hope of this forum Phill…. entertaining through ignorance.
In all seriousness, you need to get some help, and I can’t be the first one to tell you that…..
Michelle – Stephen is right, you are so paranoid and scared of losing your place in the inventor community you would rather build a fence around this rag-tag group of “Inventors” and die a slow lonely death than join the community and become a productive part to help turn this industry into something we can all be proud of. Sad really, you are supposed to have the brain here, but you are no better than Baby Bottle Boy….. we expect him to be stupid.
Let me know if any of us outside the wall can help your folks in any way…..you are always welcome where we are, even if you choose not to welcome others in the community.
Mark
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I guess now that I've been put in my place the interview is over. Mark what happened? Don't you want to be a black belt some day?
It went just as I figured it would.
" Mark Reyland » 03 Jun 2009 04:51
Hey, Baby Bottle Boy...
you could be one of the stupidest people on the planet. No, Really – You have you been standing behind the dumbest product known to man for 10 years now…but deep down inside you already knew that didn’t you Phill? ….everyone else did I assure you.
You are the court jester of ISpot, the one who wants to be taken seriously but everyone knows they keep you around just for laughs…simply to see what stupid dribble spills from your mouth next. It’s not all bad, think of yourself as the Bob Hope of this forum Phill…. entertaining through ignorance.
In all seriousness, you need to get some help, and I can’t be the first one to tell you that…..
Michelle – Stephen is right, you are so paranoid and scared of losing your place in the inventor community you would rather build a fence around this rag-tag group of “Inventors” and die a slow lonely death than join the community and become a productive part to help turn this industry into something we can all be proud of. Sad really, you are supposed to have the brain here, but you are no better than Baby Bottle Boy….. we expect him to be stupid.
Let me know if any of us outside the wall can help your folks in any way…..you are always welcome where we are, even if you choose not to welcome others in the community.
Mark
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I guess now that I've been put in my place the interview is over. Mark what happened? Don't you want to be a black belt some day?
It went just as I figured it would.
Re: Who is the mastermind behind InventorMentors?
by bottleslingguy » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:21 am
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Now if you look at the way Mark was treating me at the beginning of all this you'll see quite a difference once he decided he didn't need the exposure any longer because the interview wasn't going as he expected. His true feelings finally came out. Well that is one of the main reasons I don't buy these guys' bs at face value. It's why I press them on questions once I realize they are throwing up a smoke screen just to make themselves look as though they really care about me or my situation. Once they see there's no chance of making a buck off the situation they back off and as in this case they actually pounce. Stephen Key does the same thing but he's a little more subtle about it.
I guess this is what you can expect if you get involved with the Inventor Mentor website. That's why they are so quick to shut people down and block them- they need to maintain control over all situations. It's why Stephen Key ran off. You'd figure a professional would be able to handle questions as simple as the ones I've asked Mark but I guess deep down his desire to help people is nothing but smoke and mirrors.
I guess this is what you can expect if you get involved with the Inventor Mentor website. That's why they are so quick to shut people down and block them- they need to maintain control over all situations. It's why Stephen Key ran off. You'd figure a professional would be able to handle questions as simple as the ones I've asked Mark but I guess deep down his desire to help people is nothing but smoke and mirrors.
Re: Who is the mastermind behind InventorMentors?
by Michelle » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:28 pm
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I am locking this forum topic.
This topic has gotten way out of hand and the behavior of certain people involved has been disappointing to say the least.
I will be handling things directly with the parties involved. I am sorry I let this get out of hand and apologize for that.
Michelle
This topic has gotten way out of hand and the behavior of certain people involved has been disappointing to say the least.
I will be handling things directly with the parties involved. I am sorry I let this get out of hand and apologize for that.
Michelle
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